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#21

Hmm pa to kar na lepem in da avto dobesedno med vožnjo ugasne pomoje je kaj bolj komplesnega. :confused

 

Pozabil napisat gre se za 525d l 2001 prevoženih 299. 970 km.

 

Še danes sem ga pohvalil kako super dela nobenih problemov nikoli nisem obstal na cesti z njim v desetih letih lastništva in evo sem dobil porcijo takoj. :frown

Meni se je isto zgodilo , napaka je bila da je bila klema za plus slabo pritrjena . Odvijačil kleme čisto stran , jih nabil nazaj gor in privijačil , sedaj brez problema.


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#22

Kako si pa to nastaviš?

 

Jaz imam namreč mali displej na števcu in ne vem če je to izvedljivo?

 

Namreč pri delujočem mi je kazalo 13,8-14 v napetost ali je to v redu?

 

Alternator je bil obnovljen 5 let nazaj cca pred 50 tisoč kilometri nekje.

 

Prosim za info.

Hudič je, ko meriš v garaži z voltmetrom je vse super, ko se pelješ 10 minut pa že čisto druga slika. Napetost ne sme nihati več kot 0,1~0,2v.

Napetost polnjenja je odvisna od zunaje temperature. Bolj je mrzlo, večja je napetost polnjenja... In obratno... (nekakšna fora zaradi izparevanja elektrolita)

Navodila iz you tuba... (številka podmenija napetost je 7)

 

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#23

Edit; 7 je za temperaturo motorja, 

9 je za napetost. 


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#24

Če ne bi imel tega kabla ti avto tudi vžgal ne bi.

https://www.bimmerfe...chmentid=210278

Lahko je tudi takšen ...

 

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#25

evo, vse te napake so stalno prisotne po veckratnem cekiranju/resetiranju...

 

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#26

Na števcu si nastavi da ti kaže napetost sistema. Velika je verjetnost da se regler poslavlja in polni akumulator kakor se mu zazdi , torej napetost niha in ko pade napetost pod določeno mejo se pričnejo sistemi ugašat (bloj ali manj nič ne dela)


Tudi če alternator popolnoma odpove se brez težav z vsemi porabniki voziš vsaj nekaj 10km. Avto nebi kar v trenutku obstal. Glede na to da tudi smerniki niso delali je napaka verjetno res slab stik nekje blizu akomulatorja.

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#27

Tudi če alternator popolnoma odpove se brez težav z vsemi porabniki voziš vsaj nekaj 10km. Avto nebi kar v trenutku obstal. Glede na to da tudi smerniki niso delali je napaka verjetno res slab stik nekje blizu akomulatorja.

Ja to se mi je zgodio pet let nazaj, prižgala se je luč za akumulator , takoj sem izklopil radio, luči in se odpeljal ene 20 km do mehanika kateri mi je generalno obnovil alternator in potem je bilo vse v redu naprej. Avto gre jutri na vleko in na dolgo pot proti domu jaz pa dobim nadomestnega, ni šans da grem z takšnim avtomobilom na avtocesto, ker če bi se mi to zgodilo na avtocesti bi se lahko z punco ubila, nisem imel volana zloo trd , zavore kot kamen nič luči niti smerokazov. :frown

Danes sem ga ene 5k rat štartal vse super brez kontrolk , avto normalno lavfal. Sem pa predhodno odstranil obe kleme iz accuja ju pošmirglal in priključke na accuju tudi, ter dobro nazaj pritrdil kleme nazaj.

 

Se,m pa imel priložnost peljat petico od Istrijana.

 

Avto je pravi bombnik znotraj kot nov, konjev več kot dovolj pa še avtomatik je :mljask. Veliko varnih kilometrov mu želim. :ok



Urejal magic man, 30.12.2018, 19:36.

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#28

Pozdravljeni.

 

Ali so komu znane napake katere je prilepil Istrijan in lahko vsaj okvirno pove v kateri smeri naj avtoelektričar prične iskat okvaro?

 

Tole z slabo maso pomoje ne bo, ker to se mi je dvakrat pripetilo v roku pol ure in ne vem zakaj bi slaba masa izginila in potem vse v redu nato pa zopet napaka in še avto je ugasnil?



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#29

Pozdravljeni.

 

Ali so komu znane napake katere je prilepil Istrijan in lahko vsaj okvirno pove v kateri smeri naj avtoelektričar prične iskat okvaro?

 

Tole z slabo maso pomoje ne bo, ker to se mi je dvakrat pripetilo v roku pol ure in ne vem zakaj bi slaba masa izginila in potem vse v redu nato pa zopet napaka in še avto je ugasnil?

Rešujeva podoben ali pa isti primer. Žmrkajo lučke oz. nekaj jemlje štrom kot bi bila masa slaba pa ni, zgodilo se je tudi da avto kar ni vžgal,ostal z trdim pedalom zavore,avto se ni zaklenil oz. so se samo zadnja vrata itd.

Jaz bom prvo probal zamenjati LCM modul(spredaj desno pri sovoznikovih nogah,plastika daš dol in odgrneš del tapete pa si tam 5min dela). Tebi predlagam isto.

 

Prvo sploh poglej kakšen modul imaš z hladilnimi rebri brez hladilnih reber uglavnem prepiši si številko iz njega, ker mora biti tudi neka fora glede opreme saj so različni po številkah a na videz isti.

 

Light check control module (LCM)

The light check control module combines the functions of the following control units previously installed individually in the E38:

- Light module - Check-control module - Manual beam throw control

As of production break 95, the light check control module replaces the light module and check control module control units in the E38 and will be installed in all E39 vehicles as of series launch.

Functions, general

Diagnosis as well as communication with other control units takes place via the I-bus (E38/E39 high) or K-bus (E39 basic).

In the event of the control unit or one of its peripheral elements failing, an emergency operation facility maintains following functions.

- The outer rear lights (no licence plate light) low beam light, are switched on at "terminal 15 ON" irrespective of the position of the light switch. - The left and right brake lights are switched on at "terminal 15 ON" and the brake light switch operated.

No communication via the I-bus/K-bus, i.e. also no diagnosis, is possible in emergency mode.

If a trailer coupling is installed in the vehicle, the lamp circuits of the pulling vehicle with a trailer module must be disconnected from those of the trailer. The LCM is connected to the trailer module via a data link.

A diagnosis program is provided for all 3 function spheres of the LCM.

Light functions

The light check control module controls and monitors

- all external vehicle headlights and lamps both when switched on and switched off (cold and warm monitoring) - all switches and buttons for light functions - The functions of the dimmer for the instrument lights and locator lights

Components

With the exception of the brake light switch, all switches scanned by the LCM are designed such that they switch to ground.

The following switches are scanned by the LCM:

- Combined switch for parking light/low beam - Turn signal/dip switch - Fog light switch - Brake light switch - Hazard warning push-button - Dimmer potentiometer for instrument locator lights

The LCM receives further information via the I-bus/K-bus.

Light switch

When the light switch is in rest position, all contacts are closed (R < 1 Ohm) and the corresponding contact is opened (R> 1 MOhm) in the low beam or high beam position.

The lighting for the light switch is controlled separately by the LCM. It lights at full brightness when the light switch is in the OFF position. It is dimmed to the same extent as the instrument and locator lights when they are switched on.

Brake light switch

The brake light switch is permanently monitored by the LCM when terminal R is activated.

It is designed as a Hall sensor and features 3 lines (terminal R, terminal 31, signal line). The test switch is not necessary.

Hazard warning switch

The indicator lamp for the hazard warning function is located in the hazard warning switch. It also serves as a locator light.

Dimmer potentiometer

The dimmed instrument, locator and function lights (terminal 58g) is activated when the light switch is in the parking light or low beam light position.

The voltage generated at terminal 58g is dependent on the position of the dimmer potentiometer.

Activation of indicator lamps in the instrument cluster

The indicator lamps for left turn signal indicator, right turn signal indicator, rear fog light, fog light and high beam located in the instrument cluster are activated via the I-Bus/K-bus.

Lights

The lamps of the vehicle lighting system are monitored both when switched off and switched on (cold and warm monitoring).

The lamps are activated by means of transistors. Due to the fact that they are now short-circuit-protected, the standard lamp fuses are no longer necessary.

The lamps can also be activated via the diagnosis function.

The country-specific functions of the lamp circuits are coded.

Check control functions

The task of the check control is to inform the driver. It provides him with information via the text display in the display unit of the IKE (E38/E39 high) or via the LC display field for check control messages in the instrument cluster (E39 basic) regarding failure of important functions as well as notes and warnings.

Common features of both wiring systems

The check control function in the LCM monitors its own sensors and detects when a message is necessary for these sensors. Consequently it sends a data telegram to the IKE/instrument cluster with the request to display the message text in the text display or the message in the display field for check control messages.

The following sensors are monitored:

- Thermal oil level sensor - Brake fluid level switch - Coolant level switch - Wash water level switch

The LCM is additionally connected via a line to the EML and DDE control units.

An ignition lock and belt buckle contact is included in the US version.

In addition, it also receives LCM-internal messages concerning defective lamps.

Added to this, it evaluates messages from other control units which it receives via the I-bus and sends the corresponding request to the IKE/instrument cluster.

 

Vehicle system E38/E39 high

The messages are, in part, accompanied by an acoustic annunciator.

The gong in conjunction with check control messages is activated via the I-bus (no direct line link between the LCM and gong). It should be noted that depending on the importance and number of messages previously occurred an acoustic signal does not sound every time and also not for the same message.

The following check control text messages are possible in the E38/E39 high system:

Check engine oil level

The level is determined by a thermal oil level sensor.

It supplies a square-wave signal and receives voltage as of terminal 15.

 

Check brake fluid

Top up wash water

Check coolant level

Engine emergency program

If problems are detected at the throttle or at the pedal sensor, the EML assumes emergency mode, accompanied by a distinct reduction in engine performance. In this case, the check control receives a signal via a line, with which the LCM is connected directly to the EML, and outputs this message.

Preheating/injection systemg

The LCM is connected via a line to the DDE control unit, from which it receives a signal for the messages preheating and injection system.

EEPROM LCM

appears when the LCM is not coded.

Ignition key in lock (US only)

A switch connected to ground is located in the ignition lock. The display is shown when the driver's door is open until the ignition key is removed, however, only at "ignition OFF".

Buckle belt (US, Gulf States only)

The message appears when the seat belt has not been buckled (closed). The belt contact switch which switches to ground is connected directly to the LCM.

Information which the check control receives from the IKE/instrument cluster:

The check control receives information from the IKE for the following messages. Troubleshooting should be continued in the IKE if incorrect messages are received.

Transmission emergency program

If there is a defect in a transmission control unit to the IKE, the LCM is informed via the I-bus.

Release parking brake

This message appears on exceeding a speed of 5 km/h with the parking brake applied.

Check brake pad

Coolant temperature

Stop! Engine oil pressure

 

Information which the check control receives from the ZKE:

The check control receives information from the ZKE and processes it for the following messages. Troubleshooting should be continued in the ZKE if incorrect messages are received.

Door open

This message is output as of a speed of 5 km/h if the driver's, passenger's or rear door is open.

Luggage compartment (boot/trunk) open

This message appears on exceeding a speed of 5 km/h with the boot/trunk lid open.

Light on?

This indication appears in ignition lock position "0" when the driver's door is opened with the parking light switched on.

 

The LCM evaluates all light messages internally.

E39 basic system

On vehicles with the basic system, information is indicated not in the form of text messages but rather by warning lamps and symbols in the LC display field for check control messages in the instrument cluster.

The check control also requests indication for following lamps:

General brake warning lamp

This switch is activated by the LCM when its brake fluid level switch informs it that the brake fluid level is too low.

Wash water

This lamp lights when the switch connected to the LCM signals that the wash water level is too low.

Oil level indicator lamp

The oil level is determined by a thermal oil level sensor. It is connected directly to the LCM and supplies a square-wave signal with a frequency serving as a measure for the level. It receives its power supply as of terminal 15.

Preheating

The LCM is connected via a line link to the DDE control unit, from which it receives the signal to activate this lamp.

Seat belt indicator lamp

On US and Gulf State vehicles, this lamp lights as of "ignition ON" when the seat belt has not been buckled (closed). The belt contact switch which switches to ground is connected directly to the LCM.

Defective lamps (in the LC display for check control messages)

Door messages (in the LC display for check control messages)

Catalytic converter overheating (Japan version only)

Additionally: Gong with ignition key in lock (US version only)

 

Manual headlight beam throw control

If a manual headlight beam throw control facility is installed in the vehicle (identification feature): Knurled wheel for manual headlight beam throw control (on instrument panel) then this function is included in the LCM.

The LCM receives a voltage signal from the knurled wheel for manual headlight beam throw control and activates the motors in the headlights accordingly.

These motors are designed as stepper motors. They are connected in parallel. For this reason, although the electronic control can detect a short-circuit, it cannot detect a break in one of the two motors.

Adjustment via the knurled wheel is no longer possible in the case of fault.

The electronic control conducts a referencing run when the parking lights are switched on or when terminal 61 ("engine running") is activated.



Urejal blackberet, 31.12.2018, 10:53.

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#30

Če so mase pregledane in kleme akkuja očiščene bi jaz začel gledat + kontakte linije od akumulatorja do plošče z varovalkami.

 

Prav tako bi preveril jermen alternatorja, če je dovolj zategnjen ter čist (olje na njemu?) in občasno ne zdrsava.

 

Je pa čudno da postane pedal zavore trd ker to nima veze s štromom ...


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Jaz imam lm tisti z rumeno nalepko, sma že z Džerijem menjala z njegovim ko sem imel težave z radijem in smerniki mini kazalo kontrolke na armaturki zunaj pa so delovali normalno. čez par dni je pa vse spet začelo normalno delovat. :eek

 

In je bilo enako če sva preklopila njegov licht modul.



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Če so mase pregledane in kleme akkuja očiščene bi jaz začel gledat + kontakte linije od akumulatorja do plošče z varovalkami.

Prav tako bi preveril jermen alternatorja, če je dovolj zategnjen ter čist (olje na njemu?) in občasno ne zdrsava.

Je pa čudno da postane pedal zavore trd ker to nima veze s štromom ...

To je malo skrivnostno ampak sem istega mnenja da trd pedal nima veze z stromom oz. je to cisto locena napaka(ena od cevk oz. tesnilo ne tesni dobro).

Jaz imam lm tisti z rumeno nalepko, sma že z Džerijem menjala z njegovim ko sem imel težave z radijem in smerniki mini kazalo kontrolke na armaturki zunaj pa so delovali normalno. čez par dni je pa vse spet začelo normalno delovat. :eek

In je bilo enako če sva preklopila njegov licht modul.

Si imel.LCM istih stevilk.. namrec ETK to kar posplosi...dejansko jih je pa vec razlicnih in ni fora samo z rebri ali brez. Na podlagi svojih avtov sta z rumeno nalepko brez hladilnih reber po kataloski vsaj dva razlicna in mora biti nekaj v zvezi z opremo. Verjetno osnovne funkcije so pri obeh iste.

Urejal blackberet, 31.12.2018, 11:17.

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#33

Ali kdo ve kolikšna je cena lcm in modula zaklepanja , če je kje kakšna dobra cena bi prosil, ker na Selmarja sploh ne grem raje vprašat.


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Ali kdo ve kolikšna je cena lcm in modula zaklepanja , če je kje kakšna dobra cena bi prosil, ker na Selmarja sploh ne grem raje vprašat.


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Urejal blackberet, 31.12.2018, 11:20.

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Samo kljub trdemu pedalu zavore se vedno so?
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#36

Samo kljub trdemu pedalu zavore se vedno so?


So samo ves kaksne take da tiscis.kot nor ustavljas se pa 3dni. Ni ojačevalca zavornega učinka.

Potem pa vgasneš vžgeš pa spet vse dela normalno.

Zato je to še toliko bolj čudno saj ,če nekaj pušča bi moralo nonstop puščati in bi bile zavore nonstop trde pa niso.



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#37

Tebe lahko heca tudi DME(še najverjetneje)

 

Recimo napaka nivoja olja gre it LCM-a preko DME na senzor nivoja olja.

 

Preko DME.ja gre pa tudi vse tole in še več.

 

Pin Type Description /Signal type Connection /Measuring notes 1 A Battery charge indicator lamp signal (terminal 61) Instrument cluster 2 A Voltage signal, terminal 30h Integrated electronic control unit (IKE) 3 A Activation, secondary air pump relay Secondary air pump relay 4 E Signal Electric fan Electric fan 5   Not used   6 E Start signal terminal 50 Ignition switch 7 M Ground Pedal position sensor Pedal position sensor 8 E Signal Pedal position sensor Pedal position sensor 9 A Supply Pedal position sensor Pedal position sensor 10 A Activation, fuel pump relay (EKP) EKP relay 11 A Oil pressure indicator lamp Instrument cluster 12 M Ground Pedal position sensor Pedal position sensor 13 E Signal Pedal position sensor Pedal position sensor 14 A Supply Pedal position sensor Pedal position sensor 15   Not used   16   Not used   17 A Engine speed signal output (TD) Diagnostic connector 18   Not used   19 E Signal Reversing light Integrated electronic control unit (IKE) 20   Not used   21 A Signal Oil level sensor Light module 22 E Rear right speed signal ABS/DSC control unit 23 E Signal Clutch switch Clutch switch 24 E Brake light switch signal Brake light switch 25   Not used   26 E Voltage supply, terminal 15 Fuse F14 27 E Data link MFL Coil spring 28 E Brake light test signal Brake light switch 29 E A/C compressor signal Heating and A/C control module 30   Not used   31   Not used   32 A Diagnosis signal TXD Diagnostic connector 33 E/A Communication link (EWS) Electronic immobilizer control unit (EWS) 34   Not used   35   Not used   36 E/A CAN-bus high CAN link 37 E/A CAN-bus low CAN link 38 M Ground Coolant outlet temperature sensor 39 E Signal Coolant outlet temperature sensor 40 A Start signal Start relay



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#38

ce mas 14V napetost pri prizganem in 12.3V na akuju ko je avto ugasnjen so napetosti super.Ce avto zdravo starta potem je se dodaten znak da je aku super.

Tiste 3 napake so tipicne za serijo 5, predno ste jih brisali bi mogoce pogledali pri katerih kilometrih so se pojavile da vidite ali je bilo to glih takrat ko je crknil avto ali prej. Poglejte shadow memory pri posameznem modulu, recimo na dme za oil senzor katerega omenja blackberret da je napajan preko dme,

 

Da ti ugasejo lucke samo zato ker motor crkne, nebi smele saj jih napaja se vedno aku ce mas seveda kontakt s kljucem, torej je vse bolj v smeri slabega stika kot pravijo kaksne mase ali kakega glavnega plus kabla.



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A je možno da je za trd pedal bremze kriv ABS modul? Ker nima dovolj napetosti mogoče. Samo v razmislek...


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