1104 odgovorov v temi

[voith]

Slika ki sem jo ravno objavil je bila slikana nad Munchen-om. Sistematizacija, sistemsko se stvari počne. Ampak lahko se komot strinjamo da sem jaz teoretik zarot vi pa veste vse. Ni sile.

 

 

Torej če povzamemo, način obstaja in deluje, samo nam ga ne aplicirajo na glave, križi in pozneje katastrofalne poplave so popolno naključje. Tako je prav al?

 

 

https://www.research...Lahore_Pakistan

Urejal voith, 03.10.2022, 08:29.

[berni]

Poglej kaj je poglavitna industrija v Lahore in kaj oni izpuščajo v ozračje. 

[voith]

Preberi vire al pa saj kakšnega od njih. 

[bojan.u]

Če so znali že v 50-tih... je danes to...poglej project cumulus

[berni]

Preberi vire al pa saj kakšnega od njih. 

pod tvojim prispevkom so viri  večina dokumentarci in  ... sorry smešno

ry: “Why in the world are they spraying”?

[3] Franchis Mangels, 2012, Documentary: “Why in the world are they spraying”?

[4] Clark S, 2002, “Conspiracy Theories and Conspiracy Theorizing Philosophy of the Social Sciences” Vol. 32 Page. 131–150

[5] Vapour Trail; Encyclopedia Brattian.

[6] Chemtrails Planet, May 1st 2014, (www.chemtrailsplanetuk.com)

[7] William Harris, 2010, “Can we control the weather?”

[8] Hamblin JD, 2013, “Arming Mother Nature”, Oxford University Press

[9] Barb Peterson, 2012, Documentary: “Why in the world are they spraying”?

[10] Rose Cairns, 2014, “Climates of Suspicion: ‘chemtrail’ conspiracy narratives and the international politics of geoengineering”.

Geo-engineering Governance Research.

[11] “Global Asthma Report”, 2014 (www.globalasthmareport.com)

[12] “Rising Pollution escalating asthma prevalence in Pakistan”, 7th of May, 2015, The News.

[13] Muhammad Qasim, “Two Million Asthma Patients in Pakistan”, 1st of May, 2012, The News.

[14] Lahore Data, “Government of Punjab”, (http://www.punjab.gov.pk/lahore)

[15] Google MapREFERENCES

[1] Ten Technologies to save the planet earth by Chris Goodall; Greystone Books, D&M publisher, Vancouver/Toronto/Berkley

[2] Michel J. Murphy, 2012, Documentary: “Why in the world are they spraying”?

[3] Franchis Mangels, 2012, Documentary: “Why in the world are they spraying”?

Urejal berni, 03.10.2022, 09:29.

[berni]

Lahore , industrija na polno, od strojenja usnja do težke industrije . Ugibaj kaj se   uporablja za strojenje? Namig AL soli ...

[voith]

In to po tem ko letala križe rišejo, takrat bolj strojijo usnje in industrija pojača? A je to tud ta vaš super set naključij?

 

Men se res ne da nekih dokaznih gradiv predlagat tle ker je bilo tega že preveč. Če boš hotel boš našel, če si prepričan da ni, pa pač ni. Enostavno. Zelo.

 

Tale člank je zabaven sicer malo star pa vseeno.

 

Though cloud-seeding, for example, would cool the earth, it would also lead to more acidic oceans, since the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere - and therefore the CO2 absorbed into the seas - would keep increasing. But Holdren added: "We might get desperate enough to want to use it."

 

 

 

Obama climate adviser open to geo-engineering to tackle global warming

This article is more than 13 years old

 

Mooted geo-engineering fixes for climate change include placing mirrors in space that reflect sunlight from the Earth. Photograph: Blue Line Pictures/Getty Images

 

Alok Jha, green technology correspondent

Wed 8 Apr 2009 22.42 BST

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The global warming situation has become so dire that Barack Obama's chief scientific adviser has raised with the president the possibility of massive-scale technological fixes to alter the climate known as 'geo-engineering'.

John Holdren, who is a member of the president's cabinet, said today the drastic measures should not be "off the table" in discussions on how best to tackle climate change. While his office insisted that he was not proposing a dramatic switch in policy, Holdren said geo-engineering could not be ruled out.

 

"It's got to be looked at. We don't have the luxury of taking any approach off the table," Holdren said in an interview with Associated Press. He made clear these were his personal views.

The suite of mega-technological fixes includes everything from placing mirrors in space that reflect sunlight from the Earth, to fertilising the oceans with iron to encourage the growth of algae that can soak up atmospheric carbon dioxide. Another option is to seed clouds which bounce the sun's rays back into space so they do not warm the Earth's surface.

Such global-scale technological solutions to climate change may seem fantastical, but increasing numbers of scientists argue that the technologies should at least be investigated.

Holdren's comments do not mean that the US government is raising the priority of geo-engineering. A spokesman for the US Government's Office of Science and Technology Policy (OSTP) - which Holdren directs - said "the administration's primary focus is still to seek comprehensive energy legislation that can get us closer to a clean energy economy, and can create green jobs while reducing dependence on foreign oil."

Advocates of the technology have welcomed the comments. Stephen Salter, an engineer at Edinburgh University and a pioneer of techniques to seed clouds so that they reflect the Sun's rays back into space, said: "Everyone working in geo-engineering works with some reluctance: we hope it'll never be needed, but we fear it might be needed very very urgently. Holden is echoing that exactly. It's very encouraging – we've had extremely negative reactions from the UK governments."

Salter said that geo-engineering techniques were the only methods that would lower world temperatures quickly enough. Even if the world stopped emitting CO2 tomorrow, he said, the world would continue to get hotter for several decades. "Opponents say it would take the pressure off getting the renewables developed. I've been working on renewables since 1973 and stopped because we're too late, we wasted too much time. We may have a panic very soon because of the way the Arctic ice is going."

Greenpeace chief scientist Doug Parr, however, has said: "The wider point is not the pros and cons of particular technologies, but that the scientific community is becoming so scared of our collective inability to tackle climate emissions that such outlandish schemes are being considered for serious study. We already have the technology and know-how to make dramatic cuts in global emissions - but it's not happening, and those closest to the climate science are coming near to pressing the panic button."

Holdren acknowledged that some of the potential geo-engineering solutions could have side effects, and that such actions should not be taken lightly.

Though cloud-seeding, for example, would cool the earth, it would also lead to more acidic oceans, since the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere - and therefore the CO2 absorbed into the seas - would keep increasing. But Holdren added: "We might get desperate enough to want to use it."

His comments seemed to go against those he made in a speech to the annual meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science in 2007. There, he highlighted geo-engineering's potential to help cool the atmosphere or to remove greenhouse gases, but acknowledged the methods would likely require significant investment, and also warned against expecting a single technological solution to solve energy and climate problems. "Belief in technological miracles is generally a mistake," he said.

Writing last year in a special edition of the Royal Society journal Philosophical Transactions that was dedicated to geo-engineering, Brian Launder of the University of Manchester and Michael Thompson of the University of Cambridge said: "While such geo-scale interventions may be risky, the time may well come when they are accepted as less risky than doing nothing. There is increasingly the sense that governments are failing to come to grips with the urgency of setting in place measures that will assuredly lead to our planet reaching a safe equilibrium."

In a series of papers, experts said that a reluctance "at virtually all levels" to address rising greenhouse gas emissions meant carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere were on track to pass 650 parts per million, which could bring an average global temperature rise of 4C. They called for more research on geo-engineering options to cool the earth.

Urejal voith, 03.10.2022, 09:53.

[gerchy]

Najdeš marsikaj, ja.

Najdeš pa tudi dobre argumente proti. Podprte s fizikalnimi izračuni.

Potem pa se pač odločiš, čemu boš verjel.

[žorž4x4]

Amerikanc je tako sušo delal kot zdaj poplave. Saj je nalepil sash gor kako, če je v vietnamu delovalo, zakaj zdaj nebi?

Osnovne fizike zanimivo ko sem bil jaz majhen ni bilo. Zdaj pa je.

Treba se bo počasi opredelit, a to ne obstaja po vaše, al se nam samo ne aplicira na glave?

menda ja ne misliš da je sedaj isto letal kot kadar si bil ti majhen?

[voith]

Bralna značka.

 

https://en.wikipedia...i/Cloud_seeding

[neicheq]

Najdeš marsikaj, ja.

Najdeš pa tudi dobre argumente proti. Podprte s fizikalnimi izračuni.

Potem pa se pač odločiš, čemu boš verjel.

Ne, tukaj je znastvena resnica le ena. Chemtraili, ki jih puščajo letala, niso tam z razlogom spreminjanja okolja. Vse ostalo so lažne teorije tistih, ki se bojijo lastnih senc.

[Andrej-h]

Seveda da je samo ena resnica.... Ta pa je, da so še vso tehnologijo, katera je bila razvita za dobro človeštva obrnili proti človeku, pa naj bo to modifikacija vremena ali kaj drugega (ustvarjanje dežja za rast, medijsko poročanje je tudi bilo včasih za informiranje, zdaj še samo lažejo, računalnik je bil krasen pomočnik človeka, zdaj še predvsem nadzoruje njega) 

Verjetno ni branže, katera se nebi izpridila...

 

Saj poznate rek; pot do pekla je tlakovana z zlatimi nameni? 

Urejal Andrej-h, 03.10.2022, 10:53.

[voith]

Tale srebrov jodid je zelo zdrav drgač, tako je ugotovila Weather Modification Association (WMA) leta 2009. Seveda razen na wayback machine tega ni nikjer več.  Čudno ne, sej gre ja za zdrave kemikalije.

 

https://web.archive....GI_toxicity.pdf

 

 

 

Silver iodide is usually sold by commercial chemical company distributors in granular or

powder form. It is used in combination with various other chemicals, most often salts, and has

been used for half a century as a glaciogenic agent (microscopic sized particles, referred to as ice

nuclei, ice forming nuclei, or occasionally freezing nuclei, that spawn ice crystal formation).

Silver Iodide is considered water insoluble (solubility constant at 10-9

g[of Ag] g

-1

[of solventwater]; see units note), which means that if one gram of the chemical is added to one gram of

water, roughly one billionth of that gram of silver iodide would dissolve in to the water; the

remainder will stay in the water undissolved. This property allows the silver iodide particles to

maintain their structure prior to contact with supercooled (colder than freezing) cloud droplets.

Silver iodide, as used in cloud seeding, is either dissolved in a flammable solution or combined

with other flammable solids to produce seeding flares or other devices, which are burned to

release submicron-sized, virtually invisible, silver iodide aerosol complexes into the atmosphere.

These complexes are plentiful in number and increase the probability of ice crystals forming

when they reach cloud environments at temperatures near or colder than the AgI ice nucleation

(or crystallization) temperature threshold (about -5°C). This is significantly warmer than the

threshold of most naturally occurring ice-forming nuclei, which commonly have thresholds near -

15°C and colder.

Only small quantities of seeding material are released from individual cloud seeding

generators typically in the range of 5-25 grams of silver iodide per hour from ground generators

and up to a few kilograms per hour from aircraft depending on the size of the target area.

Moreover, this is being done only during certain periods and locations of precipitation-producing

weather systems. The reason that such small quantities can be used is that AgI dispensing

systems generally produce up to 1015 (see power of 10’s note) ice forming nuclei per gram of AgI

expended (e.g., ASCE 2004, 2006). This means small amounts of AgI seeding material can

produce tremendous numbers of ice crystal seeds that can create ice crystals, which can grow into

snowflakes. The insolubility of AgI is a crucial factor for such small particles that allows them to

maintain their identity (structure) intact and not condense water (and thus lose their structure)

inside a cloud droplet. Without this property there would be no cloud seeding effect.

As a metric of cloud seeding chemicals, silver concentrations have been measured in the

snowpack of several cloud seeding target areas in the western U. S. The average concentrations

throughout the snowpack have generally ranged from 4-20 x 10-12

g[of Ag] g

-1

[of solvent-water],

rarely exceeding 100.0 x 10-12

g g-1

(Warburton et al. 1995a,b, 1996; McGurty 1999). Since

seeding clouds could lead to rain (if snowflakes melt during their fall to earth) measurements of

seeding chemical concentrations in the rainwater have also been done and found to be in similarly

low concentrations (e.g., Sanchez et al. 1999). 

Urejal voith, 03.10.2022, 11:18.

[tristan01]

Ne, tukaj je znastvena resnica le ena. Chemtraili, ki jih puščajo letala, niso tam z razlogom spreminjanja okolja. Vse ostalo so lažne teorije tistih, ki se bojijo lastnih senc.

Saj tole je pa menda jasno... Letala poganjajo reaktivni motorji v katerih izgoreva letalsko gorivo (poljudno imenovan kerozin). Ima to vpliv na okolje? Seveda ga ima, saj so to izpušni plini tako kot pri avtomobilu ali kakšnem drugem motorju z notranjim izgorevanjem. Velik minus letal je tudi to, da zaradi fizikalnih omejitev plini niso prečiščeni (beri eko navlaka kot pri cestnih vozilih). To definitivno je slabo in slabo je tudi da se ti izpuhi trosijo visoko v ozračju, kar pomeni da jih lahko stalni vetrovi raznesejo skoraj kamorkoli na tem planetu. 

 

Je to narejeno namerno z namenom sprememb ozračja? Definitivno ne, ker je v ozadju več razlogov: fizično je skoraj nemogoče tako visoko spraviti večje količine snovi, ki bi lahko povzročile večje spremembe vremena. Potniško letalo je že s potniki in potrebnim gorivo obremenjeno do fizikalnih omejitev... 

 

LP Tristan01

[Iztok Z.]

Jaz se količini teh črt sploh ne čudim ...

 

 

In letala letijo po določenih smereh-poteh ... na vsakih nekaj minut. Ozračje pa se tudi stalno premika, kar pomeni, da se sled enega letala počasi premika z zrakom, ko po isti liniji čez par minut leti drugo letalo in spet potegne parne sledi pa samo izgleda kot, da je naredil drugo linijo zraven ... pa nastane "rešetka" ... in ko jih gre par še po prečni smeri pa nekateri že vidijo "mrežo" ...

 

Pa še to, ker nekateri še niso videli ali pa pozabili ... https://www.bmwslo.c...53#entry3308833

[bullit]

Počasi se bo potrebno odločiti, ker v eni temi človek nima skorajda nobenega vpliva na naravo, v drugi je pa sposoben suše in poplave ustvarjati...

[voith]

T komponenta je še. Na dolgi rok ne more človek nič. Na kratki pa lahko. Že če ti prdnem v sobi sem ti modificiral "vreme".

Gor zlo lepo piše kaj in koliko je potrebno, samo treba je prebrat. A je prebral kdo sploh?

[voith]

Naraven kondenz... Pizda jim materina.

Urejal voith, 08.10.2022, 18:23.

[Iztok Z.]

In to mečejo samo iz letal?

[_T_O_M_O_]

Elementi in spojine v vodi iz pipe.

Ki eventualno seveda nekje shlapi v atmosfero in se vrne nazaj kot padavine.

Oz kot chemtrail

Urejal _T_O_M_O_, 08.10.2022, 18:46.